IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG) REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING May 13th, 1993 Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items. These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945. For more information please contact the IESG Secretary. iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us. ATTENDEES --------- Bradner, Scott / Harvard Crocker, Dave / SGI Crocker, Steve / TIS Gross, Philip / ANS Hinden, Robert / SUN Huizer, Erik / SURFnet Kahle, Brewster / WAIS Mankin, Allison / Locus Reynolds, Joyce / ISI Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore Rose, Marshall / DBC Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI IAB Liaison Christian Huitema / INRIA Yakov Rekhter / IBM Regrets Coya, Steve / CNRI Chapin, Lyman / BBN Knowles, Stev / FTP Software Stockman, Bernhard / SUNET/NORDUnet AGENDA ------ 1. Administrivia o Roll Call o Bash the Agenda o Approval of minutes - April 15th - April 29th 2. Protocol Actions o IDS Advanced Usages of X.500 3. Working Group Actions o Interactive Mail Access Protocol o IP Security Protocol o Authorization and Access Control o SNA DLC Services MIB o SNA NAU Services MIB o Interfaces MIB 4. Management Issues o Conclusion of Working Groups o DHC -- Status check o Router Requirements 5. Tasked Items - Status Check o RIP A/S o Revised IPLPDN Charter o CIDR Applicability Statement o Distributed Authentication Security Service 6. WAITING FOR AD ACTION prior to Last Call o Specification of TNFS Extensions o IP Multicast on Token Ring o Network News Transfer Protocol o The Finger User Information Protocol o Telnet Linemode Option o Transmitting IP Traffic over ARCNET Networks o TCP/IP Header Compression to Draft o MIME to Draft Standard o Point to Point MIBs MINUTES ------- 1) Administrivia o Bash the Agenda Several topics were added to the agenda: Conflict of Interest, Procedures for the conclusion of Working Groups, and Strategies for encouraging reference implementations. o Approval of the Minutes The IESG approved the minutes of the April 15th and April 29th teleconferences. o Next Meeting The next IESG teleconference was set for May 27th. o Report from the IAB Meeting The newly seated IAB met for the first time and choose Christian Huitema as the IAB chairman. Yakov Rekhter will serve with Huitema as the IAB liaison. Huitema noted his resignation as a co-chairman of the SIP working group. The IAB meeting focused on two main points, scaling and the need to deploy CIDR immediately, and Security. Security continues to be a pressing need but there is little deployment. The roadblocks, global names, key distribution, and export control need to be addressed. o Announcements Bernhard Stockman has made official his resignation. With his increasing duties with Ebone he was unable to participate to the extent he felt necessary. ACTION: Gross -- Notify Jeff Case, the chair of the IAB/IESG Selection Committee that a replacement Operations Area Director is needed. 2) Protocol Actions o Advanced Usages of X.500 document Approval of the IDS Advanced Usages of X.500 document was deferred to allow additional time for the Applications Area Directors to review the work. 3) Working Group Actions o Interactive Mail Access Protocol The IESG is waiting for a revised version of the IMAP charter addressing the issues raised in the last teleconference. o IP Security o Authorization and Access Control These two working group charters continue to wait revision to clarify their relationship with other security related groups and the evolving security architecture. o SNA DLC MIB The IESG approved the charter for the new SNA DLC MIB Working Group. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working Group to the IETF. o SNA NAU MIB The IESG approved the charter for the new SNA NAU MIB Working Group. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working Group to the IETF. o Interfaces MIB The IESG approved the charter for the new Interfaces MIB Working Group. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the Interfaces MIB Working Group to the IETF. 4) Management Issues o Conclusion of Working Groups. The IESG discussed at some length the issue of whether Working Groups should (a) "conclude" after submitting their work for Proposed Standard (and then possibly be re-instantiated" to move their work forward to Draft Standard and then again to full Internet Standard), or (b) continue to be "alive", but perhaps in a quiet or dormant mode until activity resumes prior to consideration for Draft or full Standard. It was suggested that neither model had a major advantage over the other for all cases. The suggestion was that perhaps this was yet another area where we should leave some flexibility in the process. In either case, it was agreed that the email list would remain active to handle whatever low level of activity that might exist. The IESG has a preference for "concluding" Working Groups after each stage in the standards process. However, the actual decision rests with the Area Director, who, on a case-by-case basis may elect to revise the charter and keep a Working Group active. This decision could depend on individual circumstances, like whether there is continuing activity on related work, or to serve a liason function. POSITION: After submitting work into the Internet standards track, and at the discretion of the Area Director, Working Groups may either: (a) "conclude" after submitting their work for standardization (and then possibly be "re-instantiated" to move their work forward to the next level), or (b) continue to be "alive", but perhaps in a quiet or dormant mode until activity resumes at Draft Standard and Standard. In either case, it was agreed that the email list would remain active to handle whatever low level of activity that might exist. o Reference Implementations. The IESG discussed the value of reference implementations. It was agreed that it is generally necessary for sponsors to underwrite such work, but that seeking funding for such projects was beyond the scope of the IESG. o Conflict of Interest/Ombudsman The question of conflict of interest was raised again on the IETF mailing list. The IESG understands this is an important issue. The POISED Working Group established a series of safeguards and an appeals process to insure that any person who feels wronged can get a fair hearing. The appeals process is outlined in an appendix to these minutes. o "New World Order" Documentation. The shift in the roles of the IAB and IESG that occurred as a result of the POISED work is to be documented. (Ref minutes of DC IESG) These documents are: a revision to 1310, the working group chairs guidelines, and the charter of the IETF. The first two have been posted as Internet Drafts. The charter of the IETF is still unwritten. ACTION: Gross, Chapin -- Write the IETF charter document. o Dynamic Host Configuration The Dynamic Host Configuration documents are still "almost" done. There is increasing pressure to get this protocol deployed to aid in the deployment of CIDR, and especially to facilitate future network renumbering. There continues to be discussion on editorial issues on the mailing list but the protocol is said to be stable. ACTION: Piscitello -- Contact Ralph Droms and communicate the IESGs strong desire for closure within two weeks. o Router Requirements The Router Requirements document continue to languish. The IESG expressed serious concern about the lack of concrete action. It was suggested that further resources may be needed to bring this effort to closure. Further discussion was deferred until a future teleconference where Stev Knowles is present. 5) Tasked Items o RIP AS No Action to report o CIDR AS A revised version expected this weekend. o IPLPDN Charter There has been little response from the Working Group chairman. The Area Directors are considering concluding this working group after they complete the IP over ISDN encapsulation. Future work on solving the wide area routing work should be done in a new working group. Currently the Large Public Data Network routing work is being addressed in an ad-hoc manner in the IP over ATM working group. The efforts continue to search for the quick "hack" so far without success. Serious leadership help is needed. ACTION: Vaudreuil - Add a discussion on Large Public Data Network Routing to a future teleconference. o Distributed Authentication Security Service The IESG is waiting for a new version of the document with a statement of the intellectual property rights from DEC. APPENDIX -- IETF Appeals Process -------- - Area level -- this includes the Working Group review and Area Director review. No appeal should come to the IESG before the Area Director has reviewed the point of contention. - IESG level -- If the offended party is not happy at the Area level, then they can bring their concern to the IESG chair and the Area Director for Standards Management. The IESG chair has to be in this loop on this. The IESG chair and the Standards Area Director will bring the issue before the IESG for discussion and take the resolution back to the parties. - IAB level -- If the offended party is still not happy with the outcome at the IESG level, then they can take their concern to the IAB. The exact process at this level is a bit new and unclear. They should contact the IAB chair for details on the process for a hearing. APPENDIX -- Action Items Taken ACTION: Gross -- Notify Jeff Case, the chair of the IAB/IESG Selection Committee that a replacement Operations Area Director is needed. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working Group to the IETF. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working Group to the IETF. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the Interfaces MIB Working Group to the IETF. ACTION: Gross, Chapin -- Write the IETF charter document. ACTION: Piscitello -- Contact Ralph Droms and communicate the IESGs strong desire for closure within two weeks. ACTION: Vaudreuil - Add a discussion on Large Public Data Network Routing to a future teleconference.